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30Sep/096

60 Boring technical changes in Lisbon and how they’ll help the EU function

Posted at 10:25 pm by Owen Rooney

The other week Jason posted an excellent and entertaining article on his 5 Reasons to vote Yes, including the following:

4. It improves the EU in loads of technical ways which you really don't want me to list here. I mean, we'll get them for you if you want, but only if you promise to read them. There'll be a test.

Well, it seems reader Fergus O'Rourke has challenged us to come up with the list, and I don't want it to be said that Bloggers for Europe won't debate the treaty right down to the most obscure, narcolepsy-inducing technicalities. One word of warning, though; this is going to be probably the most boring post on the Lisbon Treaty you'll ever read. I'm going to be talking about the ways in which the Commission can help develop common techniques to monitor occupational hygiene across member states. There'll be arguments for the changes to comitology procedure, a subject so boring that it makes that priest with the really boring voice from Father Ted sound like Samuel L Jackson. In fact, I'm going to try to avoid mentioning anything even moderately exciting or groundbreaking, just in case any of you are still awake by the end of the post.

Just don't say you haven't been warned.

30Sep/092

A guff-free (I hope.) Reason to vote Yes.

Posted at 5:08 pm by Jason O'Mahony

Jobs. Inward investment. Reform of the institutions of the un.....bleuggh! You'll have heard all that stuff before, and from people way smarter than me.

Here's why I'm voting yes.

The EU works. It does more good than harm, and I’ve not come across a proposal from Sinn Fein or Joe Higgins or UKIP or Coir/Youth Defence which makes better sense, and wins as much support, as the EU. 

We’re not voting on the EU, you cry. We’ll still be in the EU regardless of how we vote.

Yeah, that’s true, but here’s my problem:

If we vote No, the rest of Europe will respect our decision. They will accept that we have voted twice against further integration, and that we are sincere in our beliefs that this is as far as we go. In short they will, much to our surprise, actually believe us.

It seems logical to me that those other countries that want to move on will negotiate amongst themselves, and not invite us, because:

A) We have said (Three out of four times.) that we’re not interested.

B) Why would anyone negotiate with an Irish government that can’t get any agreement it makes ratified through a referendum anyway, after failing twice in a row?

They will respect us and leave us be, and I don’t want us to be left be. I want us at the table when Angela Merkel turns and says “What does Ireland think?” and no one on the No side can assure me of that. Neither Joe Higgins, Mary Lou or whoever the mysterious people in Coir/Youth Defence are have the power to make the rest of the EU pay attention to our concerns after a second No vote. Kieran Allen of the Socialist Workers Party (A People Before Profit franchise. Or is it the other way around? I can never remember.) says that the Irish people can take to the streets and demand things from the rest of Europe. Yeah, like we’re going to teach the French how to protest? I can see Sarko snorting already: “Call that a demonstration of public anger? Ha! I’ve seen Carla have bigger tantrums than that!”

There is good stuff in the treaty, but it is technical. The Council will vote in public, for example. Does that excite you? Does that cause your nether regions to stir? Is there anyone closing their curtains, and sweatily slipping “Red Hot Council Decisions Volume 2.” into their DVD player? No there isn’t. But then there are no teenagers slipping a well thumbed copy of “Aircraft Window Sealant regulations” under the sheets either, but next time you get on a plane, and look at the seal around the window, I bet you’ll think: “I hope someone checks this stuff.” Stuff can be boring AND important and this is one of those things.

Many of the people opposed to the treaty are sincere. Joe Higgins is, but Joe is also using the treaty to fight for a vision of society that he has never suceeded in doing in a general election. Trying to turn Ireland into North Korea without the psychotic midget dictator and the daily diet of tree bark and weevils is going to be a hard enough sell. At least turn up on the right battlefield , Joe.

Sinn Fein are still moving away from a 19th century view of the world towards modern times. There are some who say that Sinn Fein opposed this treaty primarily because they knew they would be the only party who would, and so would get additional publicity. Certainly, when you look at the way Sinn Fein ministers in the North talk about the EU (Quite nicely in a More Tea, Vicar? Chocolate Hobnob? kind of way.) and with the same tone that the PSNI talk about their committment to human rights, you can’t help thinking that they’re either two-faced, with a partionist approach to the EU, or the ministers in the North show the way Sinn Fein is heading on Europe. Either way, their alternative has almost no support in the rest of Europe, and believing that Sinn Fein can make the other 26 countries surrender everything is a bit hopeful: When they tried to negotiate with just one country (The Brits), the best they got were all-Ireland telly ads telling us how to not get the runs from food poisoning.

Coir/Youth Defence have it in for, well, 21st Century life on Earth. As one architect friend of mine summed them up: ” According to Coir, voting Yes will mean that the gays can force unborn children to fight in Afghanistan for €1.84 an hour.” How can we listen to people who don’t even identify themselves on their own website? What’s their real agenda, aside from splitting the lease with Youth Defence?

We have problems, big giant Godzilla-without-cute-Godzuki sized problems coming at us. We don’t need to create new problems for the sake of it, and that’s what we will do with a No vote. If you’re pissed off with the government and the political establishment, that’s fine. Kick the crap out of them at election time.

But voting No to get at the government is like being one of those morons who throws rocks at the fire brigade. As Iceland discovered, the EU is the fire brigade, and it sure is handy having a direct line to the station.

Yes is, quite simply, the sensible self-interested way to go.

27Sep/090

Suzy Byrne on disability and the Lisbon Treaty

Posted at 2:02 pm by Owen Rooney

Suzy Byrne, on her blog Maman Poulet, has an excellent post on Coir's "Death Panel Politics" and how it contrasts to the what's actually in the Lisbon Treaty on disability. You can read it here.

22Sep/095

Prof Alan Matthews on the economic consequences of a Yes or a No

Posted at 1:14 pm by Owen Rooney

Professor Alan Matthews (of the Dept of Economics, Trinity) has a post up on The Irish Economy blog on the potential economic impact of a Yes or a No vote on Oct. 2. You can read it here, and there's some well informed discussion in the comments section too.

18Sep/090

Letter on Lisbon and public services

Posted at 1:24 pm by Owen Rooney

There was an excellent letter in yesterday's Irish Times by a man named Colm McClements, who has lived and worked in many EU countries, on claims that the Lisbon Treaty would adversely affect our public services.

As people see when they go abroad, other EU states who have ratified the Lisbon Treaty – France, Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, Italy and Germany to name but a few – enjoy infinitely better public service and local government than we do. Does anyone believe that politicians of these countries, rooted in many cases in municipal government themselves, would have agreed to a treaty that threatens the public services they cherish so much?

I'd advise everyone to read it, which they can do here.

18Sep/094

A Brief Study of Campaign Tricks or Bullshit Bingo

Posted at 2:06 am by Hugh Hamill

I came across this article on RTÉ news today.  It's about the 'No to Lisbon' campaign launch of PANA (The Peace And Neutrality Alliance).

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0907/eulisbon.html

It's not very interesting in and of itself, but serves as a good example of some tricks we have seen in the campaign so far.

I'll go through them here, you can take note of them and watch for them in future press releases, and play a sort of bullshit bingo to spice things up!

Note that I've nothing against either Peace or Neutrality, but I've plenty against cheap tricks and attempts to fool people.

So here we go...

17Sep/091

Laval, Lisbon and workers’ rights

Posted at 4:51 pm by Owen Rooney

Workers' rights are undoubtedly one of the central points of the campaign, and depending on who you ask, Lisbon will either enhance workers' rights, or usher in a capitalist dystopia where multinational corporations squeeze the life out of workers for pennies a day. Joe Higgins is clearly of the latter opinion, but it's his repeated linking of worker's rights in the Lisbon Treaty to the so-called "Laval" judgement of the European Court of Justice that I'm going to turn my attention to today.

16Sep/094

The Undemocratic Democrats.

Posted at 7:20 am by Jason O'Mahony

Our gang: Do they scrutinise legislation as indepth as the European Parliament?

Seriously: Think the Dail scrutinises legislation better than the European Parliament?

It's fashionable in eurosceptic circles to declare that the EU is undemocratic and unaccountable. The thing is, they tend to be a bit hazy about what the EU needs to do to be democratic. It seems to involve Germans having less rights than Irish people, which doesn't seem very democratic to me.

The other example they tend to give is of the "unelected" commission. It is unelected. like the Secretary General of the Department of Finance, or the head of the ESB, or the HSE, or Iarnrod Eireann. What's the point? Ah, but they cry, the Sec Gen and others are answerable to a minister! Which is true. As is the commission. 27 ministers, actually.  What's the point?

The parliament is dismissed by eurosceptics as an irrelevence, yet the Lisbon treaty gives the parliament more powers than it has ever had. They can't have their cake AND eat it, unless they don't really believe what they are saying in the first place. And bear in mind the fact that the commssion, the bete noire of the "democrats", takes the parliament seriously.

I'd also say that the parliament does a better job of holding the executive to account than the Dail does.

The EU does not work like a nation state, with an elected government, because it isn't. We've never said that we wanted it to be.

15Sep/093

Ireland’s Voting Weight under Lisbon

Posted at 12:06 pm by Hugh Hamill

It seems Sinn Féin are going to be the latest party to propagate the voting weight myth, with a new poster that claims the following voting weights under Lisbon:

Germany 17%, Britain 12%, Ireland 0.8%.

This quite accurately describes the 'population' requirement of Double Majority QMV, however it is a lie of omission as it does not tell the full story.

Click below the fold to find out the real deal...

Updated to remove mistaken info [16-09-2009]

15Sep/099

5 Reasons to vote Yes including a polar bear. And The Da Vinci Code.

Posted at 11:27 am by Jason O'Mahony

1. We really have enough problems as it is without getting more by voting No.  I mean, NAMA, An Bord Snip, tax rises, the economy, Jordan single again, and now we want to go and piss on our generous German aunty's apple strudel?

2. The mysterious faceless Coir are against it. Yeah, the "We live in the same house as Youth Defence but we have never met the fella" crowd. Coir: The people who thought Tom Hanks was the baddy in The Da Vinci Code.

3. For the polar bears. We can either have global climate change treaties negotiated by major players like the EU, the Chinese and the US, or we can watch Ringsend go under water. And run out of polar bears. Not in Ringsend, obviously. I mean generally. You can't move for polar bears in Ringsend, all over the place, standing on clear mints and pontificating.

4. It improves the EU in loads of technical ways which you really don't want me to list here. I mean, we'll get them for you if you want, but only if you promise to read them. There'll be a test.

5.  The sky won't fall on our heads if we vote No.  But the rest of Europe will probably respect our decision, believe us, and move on to integrate without us and the Brits. Great, we're effectively back in the UK. Nice one, Mary Lou. See, this is where the No campaign falls apart. They hint that they can stop the rest of Europe moving on. They can't. And anyway, would you really rely on the shinners to negotiate? The one time they were sent in to negotiate with anyone, they went in looking for a united Ireland and came out with a food safety board. Bag of magic beans, anyone?

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